criminals' hands is to whistle past the graveyard. we need to get rid of the places where these tragedies occur. you can't just dispense with the subject, we're not talking about that now. if we're not, we better be talking about what really is the problem. otherwise we're specializing in nothing. >> dan, do i want you to address that. this is the argument that we always hear. criminals don't at bide by any of these laws. it doesn't matter if you clarify existing laws or make new laws, criminals don't abide by them. >> you're never going to keep every gun out of the hand of every criminal, you're not going to prevent every tragedy. you can prevent a lot of them by keeping the guns out of the hands of people we all agree shouldn't have them. look at the fact that 2.4 million sales have been blocked you have to dig really deep to try and come up with some misleading statistic to try and show background checks don't work because they do. every day, hundreds of sales, whether they're prosecuted or not, hundreds of sales are