>> pastor and amanda, last word -- >> the founding fathers -- the founding fathers -- >> yeah, they were con -- >> because they prayed -- [ overlapping speakers ] >> i see this conversation could go on and on and on and it's difficult to hear both conversations at the same time but i thank you for having this spirited debate. >> thank you so much. >> rev renld pastors and spokeswoman for american at east. for more stories on faith, check out the belief blog at cnn.com/belief. >> christi? >> that was going to go on and on. interesting conversation. meanwhile, you know what we're watching, victor, 47,000 competitors, that many people will make their way through the streets of new york city. coming up live we'll go live to staten island where the wheelchair racers just crossed the start line. good luck, guys.