at the structures we have built, the international community, the transatlantic community, things like nato, the european union, the u.n., we have build structures particularly to keep wars at distance. in this century, we want to stop that. we stop that through deterrence, a strong defense, a strong nato. and that means when an autocrat like putin begins to become aggressive, we've got to stand up to him, to stop war in europe, america usually gets sucked in sooner or later. >> general hertling, you tweeted something a short time ago, quoting president zelenskyy, i need ammo, not a ride. quote, leaders know where to be how to communicate. it strikes me somebody who played a comedian on tv not only is now the actual president of ukraine but he's staring down