and as we know from how president trump often peoples, he often says more in even one sentence. it's possible he would have told volcker two different things. >> someone in the administration would have known, i think, alisyn. they were withholding that information from congress. but someone within the white house would have known why the president didn't want this to go forward. and i think we've got to find out what was behind that. i think even republicans want to find out what was behind that. >> by the way, it was an act of congress that authorized that aid. in a bipartisan vote, congress decided that ukraine -- and by the way, ukraine is at war with russia which has invaded its territory. lauren fox, stood out to us this weekend. has the former homeland security adviser say in no uncertain terms that the president is pushing a debunked theory that he is told that a theory that