nonpolitical people that have been through one administration after another. you've also got a john bolton who is the grand pumba saying rudy giuliani is a hand grenade and this thing about comparing it to a drug deal. it's a host of troubles. they have not been able to paint these folks with the same brush of partisan hacks. even though they've tried with folks like taylor that they did with those on the mueller report. >> putting john bolton in a happy days reference in the same sentence. >> people called him potsy for years. one more on cnn's reporting which is meticulous on this, it points out that morrison will apparently also testify. he doesn't necessarily believe the administration did anything wrong. but as you point out, alisyn -- >> it doesn't matter what he thinks. if he thinks he did anything wrong, it matter what is the