it could mean something for bolton, pompeo, mulvaney. it's much bigger than the mcgahn question. >> doesn't this also put the lie to the republicans to the point of why aren't you going through the court system? why are democrats rushing this? >> how dare you search. >> you know, that's just a plain republican lie. let's make matters worse here. this is the same white house counsel's office that was arguing six months ago that this isn't serious because there's no impeachment process going on. we shouldn't have to turn anything over because there's no impeachment. and there's an impeachment process going and they're saying, we shouldn't turn it over because there is an impeachment process going. that's not circular logic. that's 3-year-old logic. >> well, look. in moving the goal post being a sport in washington, but i've got to get your take on something ken starr former independent counsel for bill clinton said this weekend. i want to get your reaction. let's play it. >> so this is a chapter in our