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It could mean something for bolton, pompeo, mulvaney. it's much bigger than the mcgahn question. >> doesn't this also put the lie to the republicans to the point of why aren't you going through the court system? why are democrats rushing this? >> how dare you search. >> you know, that's just a plain republican lie. let's make matters worse here. this is the same white house counsel's office that was arguing six months ago that this isn't serious because there's no impeachment process going on. we shouldn't have to turn anything over because there's no impeachment. and there's an impeachment pr...

Investigation. that has got to be a concern here. john bolton, mick mulvaney, mike pompeo, all of these people who have resisted efforts to get them to talk about ukraine. that said, there's a long road of litigation here and democrats are on a much different timetable. realistically, will the courts decide this on the timetable the democrats need to get an impeachment vote and to get this information before the public, that seems unlikely. but it may affect future generations. this is a really important precedent being set by this ruling. >> there's legal timeline, appeals, stays, and then th...

Are good lawyers. >> to say the least. >> it does interestingly point out the fight that's going on between dowd, who is a bit of a bull in a china shop, take no prisoners type of lawyer and cobb, who is a more under the radar, get along, cooperate, do the best you can for your client, and often has very good success in that respect lawyer. so, you know, i think you've got a battle of styles between those two lawyers. the interesting thing was this mcgahn question about whether he has documents that are squirrelled away. >> that's what i was going to ask you. when cobb says, he's got documents...