again, try to negotiate with manchin. he wants to negotiate. i can guarantee you that. >> you know, this is often seen, understandably so, through a more national lens, a d.c. lens, hof of how are they negotiating or not negotiating with each other? ? west virginia, in morgantown, for example, is the discussion about joe manchin standing up to the rest of his caucus, right? is the discussion about what's in that bill, portions of the bill, that could benefit folks in the area? where are those discussions? >> yeah, that's a great question. there are two levels here. clearly, there is a discussion about what's in that that could benefit west virginians. there are some things in there, as manchin acknowledged, that would benefit west virginians. also remember, this is a state that donald trump won by 40 points over joe biden. it's a state that is deeply red. it is a state that has this inherent mistrust of washington and the elites and of democrats leadership.