about looking for other life, in the universe, or other places where life could be. >> well, that's exactly right. that's what we're doing right now on mars, getting samples to see if there are building blocks of life. we're going to have those samples returned. we're doing this with other planets as well. we have got a mission going to venus right now to do the same thing. so this is an exciting time for not only america but also for planet earth and this is an international mission. europeans and the canadians are our partners on this mission. >> hubbell, of course, was revolutionary in our understanding of the universe for scientists, but also for average people, right? because you and i -- well, you're in the an average person, but people like me, i got to see stuff far away and in this -- in