often than their counterparts, john. >> what do the numbers tell you in this particular location about profiling? >> reporter: yeah, we talked to researchers, several of them, and they looked at millions of traffic stops, black drivers, they found, were twice as likely to be stopped, and four times, about four times as likely to be searched. what accounts for that, we took a look at the numbers. we talked to police, we talked to police unions, we talked to politicians, we talked to drivers themselves about all of this, and what came out of it is that some people are really calling for reform and some cities, john, are already doing reforms, some of those reforms, though, very controversial. but i do want to add this, we spoke it a lot of different people and even those who say they were brutalized by police, even those who lost people, who have sons or daughters killed by police during these traffic stops, not one of them said that police should be abolished. all of them said we need our police, but in their minds they