it. we know from what others said, he did have phone conversations with him that day that are not outside the gap, period. >> you think it's possible that he was purposeful live not using the white house switchboard or the white house phones the way he might normally use? >> i don't know what other explanation would make any sense, frankly. >> why would you do that? >> well, because he didn't want a record of the calls. and what he was saying in those calls is anybody's guess. some people say they have received calls, they have described what the subject of the conversation was. so we know he was making calls. what other calls he made at this point we don't know. >> yeah. we know he made calls. he was on the phone with kevin mccarthy. he called senator lee looking for senator tuberville. i want to ask you about ukraine. it turns out that the russian military is not so good. and u.s. intel really