ring, just for your own, i guess, mind sake, you would want to know she was once a he. does that matter? >> i wouldn't go up against her in a ring. what i want to know is whether or not angela bassett or hilary swank is going to play her in a movie. this is a hot story. i find fallon fox's personal story quite riveting, former truck driver, being in the navy, going to thailand. and also there is a policy from the boxing association that they passed in 2012 for a transgender. now it is up to the boxing association to discuss that policy further. and this is a great opportunity in which to do so. >> paula blume, as our fellow psychologist here, i just am curious, weigh in. what do you make of the whole back and forth just in general? >> i think in general we're so behind, getting comfortable with transgender. we have this very black and white view of gender. and from my perspective, the only thing that is relevant is if doctors clear this and say, she is female, that there is no