sometimes about his age. he's 76. the elector cardinals, the average age was only 72. you weren't going to get much younger than that. with the catholic church and christianity as a whole, the key question, as important as modernization, the key question is not now, but what's ancient and true. the church moves stl s slowly, about tradition and relies on the wisdom of the changes. doesn't mean change won't happen. i think it will happen. it happens very slowly, carefully. everything old is new again. these are ancient virtues, well tested throughout the christian tradition. >> do you think that, though, will trump, you know, his conservatism and win over younger, more progressive people that he, you know, appears he doesn't want the trappings of? >> i think it very well could. because the -- it has -- a kind of social progressiveness about it in many ways. >> all right. thank you. appreciate you joining us. >> my pleasure. good to see you. up next here on cnn, a cnn