up at 4:30 every morning, and i think that what he told me is he thinks about his family a lot and it haunts him, the death of his oldest son, mark. mark committed suicide, he hanged himself on december 11th, 2010, that was the second anniversary of his father's arrest. he also told me that he thinks about ruth, his wife of 50 years. and he also actually says that he's responsible for the death of one of his investors, jeffrey pickhour who died of a heart attack and was the biggest beneficiary of the ponzi scheme. >> he's taking responsibility for the death of that investor. he's sorry, i guess you mean he's taking responsible for the suicide of his son. is he taking responsibility and does he show any remorse for all the other awful parts of this crime? >> he said he feels bad for the victims. i talked to a lot of victims who say they don't believe him. i spoke to someone, mike devito, the other day, one of his victims, he said it is just