understand how it is this program advanced the disruption of that plot. the fourth one is the most ephemeral, the most ill-described, right? he talks about an investigation opened shortly after 9/11, the fbi didn't have enough, it was closed, the nsa then gave them some lead information indicating indirect contact by someone in the u.s. with someone somewhere overseas, that allowed them to use their authorities to disrupt a plot somewhere in the world, we don't know where. this is going to require an awful lot of digging for it to be credible, frankly. if they're going to talk about four plots, then they better be able to describe at some level of detail how it is these programs played a direct role in the disruption. we're not hearing very much of that yet. >> you think they need to tell us more. that's a perfect segue to