like china and north korea, but that doesn't always work, either. >> we are not talking people who have gone through proceedings overseas. you consider these not legitimate. they are held as political prisoners and hostages overseas. >> i don't care what they are held for. i went to korea with people in 1950 in the war. a lot of my friends and comrades were captured. we were doing our duty as americans. they were captured and charged with a variety of crimes. i know what it's like for friends and relatives to feel so helpless when their loved ones are held by foreigners. >> north korea is probably the toughest nut to crack, i imagine, diplomatically to bring someone home, to bring kenneth bae home or anyone held as prisoner. do you think if the american public gets behind this more,