there's about 13 or 14 redundant systems in this airplane, the systematic shutting down of those systems indicates to me that it was done deliberately by human hand. if it was a mechanical failure it would have been shut off all at once, mechanical systems. turning it off one at a time a strong indication that it was done by someone in the cockpit deliberately. >> okay, we're good. we're going to pause this conversation because i have to take a break, but so fascinating. we're going to come back to you, so, martin, stick around. i'm sorry, sir, i didn't catch your name. what is your name? >> mitchell. >> so, mitchell, martin, stick around. we're going to take a break and be right back with more. if you have moderate to severe rheumatoid arthritis, like me,