or possibly even surpass it in terms of space exploration. >> there's a certain -- yeah, there's a certain degree of competition. and certain degree of trying to, i'd say, maintain pace, with the leading companies or countries in the west. but i do think it's also important to consider that there's a rather -- there seems to be a degree of reactivity as opposed to being proactive. up until 2019 there was zero space in china at all. it was very state controlled and not a lot of room for innovation. really once you started to see spacex and other companies make leaps and bounds, that's when you saw the impetus on the chinese side to open up, more potentially disruptive innovation. and we've seen more recently the phenomenon with the star wings. this big project done by spacex