like solar. um, things that actually greece has in abundance. but that sort of, if you will, undergirds one of the differences in the european union at the moment and as russia potentially puts on pressure on the european union by throttling back gas and oil supplies and european union considers not buying russia's oil and gas as part of a sanctions package, um, this really begins to short of show up some of the differences within the european union. and that's one of the things i talked to him about. but i began by asking him about the mood inside that nato leaders meeting on thursday. >> i -- i -- i am understanding that our world has changed. i think all of us, when we were elected to power, we never contemplated that we have to deal with a war on european soil. this was completely inconceivable. this is exactly what is happening. >> greece has given military support.