like alternate slates of electors. there was a legitimately chosen slate of electors. so no, there's no putting this genie back in the bottle, and he's not going to be able to dodge culpability by refusing to cooperate. now we have the documents -- there's a saying -- people lie, documents don't. >> the committee does say it's moving forward with contempt proceedings against mark meadows, which you support, you say. but i mean, this still effectively delays the committee's search for answers, doesn't it? just look at steve bannon. his case isn't until july of next year when his trial will be for contempt. as you point out, his case is pretty straightforward here. >> the principal importance of criminal contempt is to demonstrate that there are serious consequences if you don't cooperate. and remember, ana, there are hundreds of individuals who are