and the pilots are all highly train, highly experienced hand flying pilots because even in the interview sessions they are tested for their hand flying skills. in the simulator during their interview process. there's no such things as amateurs at the airline level. >> would more than flying have made a difference perhaps, in this case? >> well without the black boxes we don't know what condition the airplane got into so it's hard to then draw an analysis of what they should have done. but i can tell you that the airplane is very stable and it's very difficult to get them out of control unless some horrendous situation developed like flying into a thunderstorm or some turbulence that would cause the plane to leave control flight. >> experience makes a difference. the captain had 20,000 flight experience 6,000 or more on the