they're certainly going to hear about that in this case. you expect a lot of families they'll hear from are ones that say put him to death. >> sure. there's a lot of dynamics adds imposed on somebody. first of all, we think of it as an afterthought that he's going to die in prison. whether five years or 50 years from now, he'll die in prison. the question becomes, how do we mete out proper punishment under our code? if anyone deserves death penalty, someone who's killed and tried to kill hundreds would deserve it. those that do death penalty work know of studies that suggest even those families that want death penalty imposed and get it -- closure doesn't come from that. closure comes in cases of a lost