they are going to connect where the voters want the same thing. >> jackie, i want to ask you about carly fiorina because she did well in that jv debate, or whatever you want to call it. her numbers are rising and i'm wondering if republicans are looking at her as a possible political weapon to sort of unseed donald trump as that front-runner position on the republican side and potentially as a woman, for one thing, hurt hillary clinton. >> she's pit herself against hillary clinton from the very beginning of this campaign. i remember her cpac speech. she was talking about hillary clinton, benghazi and the e-mail issue. in terms of her going after trump, i don't know who can untrump trump. because you would think that if you can go after carly fiorina and say all of these other outrageous things, are people really going to care? it's an open question because