forth and provide this testimony. so we're kind of at this dead end trying to figure out in which direction the state department's going to go and the white house is going to go. are they going to allow him to go forth? >> keep digging, kylie. thank you for that. more is coming out, today, too, from that original ukraine call between president trump and the counter part in ukraine, the one he's been very busy downplaying. >> that call was a great call. it was a perfect call. a perfect call. >> that call was perfect. it couldn't have been nicer. >> impeachment for that? when you have a wonderful meeting or you have a wonderful phone conversation? >> absolutely perfect phone call. >> the conversation was perfect. it couldn't have been nicer. >> if you look at that call, perfect call. it's congenial. there was no pressure. >> no pressure, at least so says president trump. but cnn has learned some members of the president's own national