out and expelled the jesuit priests. now he welcomes the pope. why? because he knows that it's not a threat to their iron grip and power. and that's what people have to understand. if you don't challenge the status quo, you're a wonderful visitor to cuba. if you're going to challenge the castro's grip, they're not going to allow you to come back in. so they're not challenged by the pope. >> let me ask you this. i wonder. does this kind of trip, this kind of visit to cuba for the president, raul castro, for fidel castro, it's a bit of a feather in their cap, diplomatically. do you think that there's a danger in that? that it bolsters a regime that you see as an authoritarian regime and maybe glosses over its record? >> oh, absolutely. there is nothing for a disastrous, horrible, sadistic communist regime like the castro brothers better than to have the