jumping on those comment, does it strike you at outright bigotry? >> thanks for having me on. it is outright bigotry. i don't think there is a debate. we have to look at who is saying these comments. both carson and trump are playing directly to their base. welcome to the politics of entertainment or the entertainment of politics. i mean, if there's one thing we can say about both kanld damtds it's that their claims to their base and i think the sad thing that it demonstrates and exposes to us is that phobia is very much alive. >> is that dangerous to play to the base? it may be politically smart but doesn't that stoke anger, bigotry, other dangers as well? it strikes me as dangerous. >> oh, it is completely dangerous. it's actually very irresponsible. and to, you know -- this is fear mongering 101. to kind of fan the flames of