the justice department publicly announced they had reviewed it, criminal prosecutor his reviewed the call and determined that the president did nothing wrong, at least when it came to campaign financial laws. that much the president did get. it is clear that the president wanted more from his attorney general. he wanted a public statement from the attorney general, perhaps a press conference, and he did not get that. it's important to also note, poppy and jim, that even if the justice department sort of tried to say this was a closed case, that there was nothing here, we now know the prosecutors in new york, the southern district of new york, are still looking at rudy giuliani's activities in ukraine, and this may not be a closed matter after all. >> evan, important reporting, thank you very, very much. >> senior political analyst ryan liza is with us, a chief