direct questioning by him. i think we will expect and should expect that he's going to be very crisp and sharp. same thing with barry berke, experienced courtroom lawyer and steve castor has more experience than either of the democrats lawyers with the institution of the house of representatives. but, you know, interestingly, none of them are, you know, sort of elected politicians. it will be interesting to see how they sort of play to the masses, how they play to tv which is not normally what the lawyers are doing. >> barry berke and steve castor are the witnesses making their respective cases during the first about hour long session, carrie, and then in the second round daniel goldman from the intelligence committee, all of