"his nation ultimately posed the greatest threat to itself by failing to respond to a well-understood threat, but lattimore and american officials had at their disposal the dials to control their own response to risk. both failed to calibrate them." speaking to the challenges with our political system, do you see that same mistake playing out right now, not seeing the threat and not addressing it? >> i do. what i'd say is the greatest risk to us is us, and it's not really as much our failure to be able to predict threats, because we've always been lousy at that and probably always will be because there are so many way threats can arise. we can decrease our vulnerability to them, make ourselves stronger. if we look at covid-19, covid-19 was really not that big a threat. i mean, it was a known thing, yet we dropped the ball because internally the things we needed to do to be resilient we just didn't. >> another threat that we talked about is the threat from cyberattacks.