corporations? >> you know, i think that's probably one of the final details. most of us think a 25% corporate tax rate is fine. again, when you only have one senator that can bring the whole thing down and senator sinema has said she won't raise the corporate tax rate, i think we've got to go looking for other revenue. the president wants this paid for. i think all of us want to make sure this is all paid for and doesn't raise the deaf sit. so i think that's one of the final details. so where are you going to find that other revenue? do you put it on high earners? is some of this going to be fuzzy math? it wouldn't be the first time a spending bill was passed in washington by democrats or republicans where the math doesn't really add up. >> well, there is congressional math. i do think you could see a tax on billionaires. i think you could see a minimum corporate tax rate for those corporations that are paying effectively zero taxes. i think there are some options