when he amasses all these troops, this is a great way for him to then get every concession he's ever asked for from the west because nobody wants to g to war with him. >> are you concerned about that possibility here? i know is that there are ukrainians who are concerned that they get sold out here, right, to prevent conflict, the biden administration makes assurances, particularly about ukraine's potential think they theoretical joining of nato, which is not on the table right now. do you see that as a possibility? >> yes. that's the kind of thing putin is looking for. he puts a bunch of troops at the border. doesn't cost him anything. there's no young men coming back in body bags. he puts troops on the border and says here's my list of demands. ukraine can never join nato. let the gas flow into germany through nord stream 2 pipeline. don't mess with me in all of my activities in the middle east and africa.