and i didn't do anything with them. i think i felt busy doing something. >> what was the breakthrough moment? >> 2008 i find these background checks. and i had the name of that person there, the murderer of and i wasn't sure, but -- >> an online service that checks people's names. >> yes, and i do want to say you can't count on that information, but it was strange us that that name has ha variation like a middle initial, i thought look at the age. could be. but now that's just too obvious. no. and no. so and then there was another one that also was a criminal that had like a similar name, but the same name with a different -- >> but eventually you began to piece it all together? >> no. i put that all away. it was weird. i felt like that wasn't -- >> what was the moment you went to the police?