when you think of a dozer of a track hoe you think of something that's very large. we're getting in there with those little small bobcat track hoes and they're proving to be very, very effective. some of the stuff we're using is actually heavy equipment like track hoes when we get into areas that we can work. the national guards you saw a team is also here and is going to be instrumental in helping us. and of course our regional technical rescue teams from this region have been out there working tirelessly. this makes up over 200 responders that are here on site working very, very hard to try to locate victims and hopefully find somebody that's alive. that is still our number one priority out there. i visited the site today. and i went over to the darrington side. as a fire chief i believe it's important for me to get out there in the trenches where my people are working and find out what their needs are and see how