about whether or not, bringing ukraine, and the nato family, and this moment, and if we did that, and is a say we are committed to protecting nato territory that we've made, if the war is going on, we were at war with russia if that were the case, if the layout a rational path, for russia, or ukraine excuse me, and with nato, and with the very first time i met with putin in geneva, and i said i want commitments, and i said we are not going to do that, it's an open door