>> without question. unfortunately, you have two many candidates particularly republican candidates of color who recognize that one of the ways they can boost their political appeal to right republicans by telling them they are not racist and then turning around and attacking those who are pointing out racism as the real problem, as the real racists and we've seen candidate after candidate be boosted, particularly candidates of color, by essentially feeding white republicans there denial and that's all vivek is doing. he knows that. and the irony is that that is based on racism. and it's based on his skin color. at the same time, he's claiming racism is no longer an issue. >> ibram kendi, thank you for joining us tonight, and responding directly to that.