find way of having a responsible wealth creation. we should mention there's this set up that we see in the press. liberal and conservative, right an left. the pope doesn't line up quite that way, does he? >> no. that's a political template. >> it's almost like they don't know how to describe him. when we think about views about gay marriage and how they have shifted in the united states. they haven't shifted within the church. >> they have shifted with francis. what you see with francis is he's in favor of equal rights for gays. he's in favor of civil unions. >> but not gay marriage. >> marriage he think is between man and a woman and it's not appropriate to talk about same-sex couples in that way. he's against gay adoption. he says nobody have a right to a