what about the trump confidantes refusing to obey subpoenas from the 16 select committee? when that's portrayed like a standoff or normal legal battle, the point is missed and normalizing is a result. as bill maher remarked the other night, the slow-moving coup is still moving, storm clouds still gathering. so this is still not normal. but often the media treats some of these events as if they are. joining me around the table here to discuss that and president biden and so much more, james fallows, author of the seminole media criticism book "breaking the news," and now the title of his substack. and also with me axios media reporter sara fischer, white house correspondent brittany shepherd and david zurawik, professor of media studieyies.