aesthetics of the bridge? >> the aesthetics of the bridge? >> it was a huge issue. they didn't want to ruin the beauty of a bridge. a piece of iron. what are the aesthetics compared to one human life. what if that was your mom or your dad or your son or your daughter. that's what we have to get people to understand, these people who go there to die, they don't necessarily want to, but they are in a state of mental instability where they feel there is not another option and those are the people we have to reach out to. because they're suffering. and they deserve hope just like everyone else. >> i'm so glad to see you again. so glad you're doing well. and thank you for staying on this. i mean, look, kevin, as i said, one of the greatest things we can do is have that kind of impact on people's lives. it sounds like from what the science shows and what this may accomplish, a lot of lives may be saved. >> i hope so and i believe so. >> thank you very much. appreciate it. >> thank you, sanjay. a lot of people throw around the term obsessive compulsive,