sort of making real caricatures of black life. - i learn a lot of things. i just don't retain 'em. - so you had these examples of black representation that were not always positive and did not always center black life and culture in a way in which we wanted to see ourselves. - and these were very much shows that were made to allay white fears and to protect white comfort. you're talking about the jim crow era. - and i've seen the promised land. - as the civil rights movement was kicking up, the naacp wanted to show black people in a different light. black people were going to college and making money and entering the middle class. took until 1968 for us to have a show that was served as a counterweight to shows like "beulah and "amos 'n andy." - when i think about the history of black television, i think of diahann carroll. she personifies the brilliance that has existed in black hollywood. - "julia" premiered in 1968.