learning the ins and outs of scaling which is how this cal trans crew keeps the residents safe. this isn't my first day at the rodeo, but personally, i've never gotten used to taking that first step and probably never will. >> i don't know what it looks like but it is probably not normal. if you get used to it, it is not like the rockwall in the gym. >> you look great. >> don't make it weird, man. [ laughter ] >> you should look down sometime, doug. it's good for you. >> they make it look like fun, and to be honest, it is. sort of. but remember, this isn't the job. this is the thing you have to do in order to do the job. >> so in overhangs, it's even more important to be perpendicular to the rock. >> you are going to put your face right into it. >> exactly. watch those knees. >> i think you're in worse shape than i am. >> i am. but i can do this.