>> look at the future. >> after all -- >> electronic written communication. >> supersonic dishwashers. >> lots of technologies haven't quite worked out the way the futurists thought they would. >> the digital world has spawned what's basically a new religion. there's nothing wrong with it. i don't feel it's my place to judge someone else's religion. >> so when you hear of the singularity and hear people continually talk about it, you see that much more as kind of a religious movement versus a technological movement? >> it's really similar to traditional religion. it's this notion that we have the secret to control death, to cure death, you can live forever because you'll be uploaded into the machine. if you miss out, oh, my god, then you're going to be left to die and you won't be uploaded