a hard bloc, this morning's gop conference solidified that bloc so now the question is, can kevin mccarthy wear them down or the opposite? >> well, i think the challenge here is that they are at risk of letting it -- john's point -- spin out of their control, right? so this bloc of hard-liners has been fighting so far behind the scenes with their own people, but the democrats have stood united here, we expect them to continue to stand united and as john pointed out there isn't really an easy way out of this. if republicans remain divided, because mccarthy and the republican leadership actually need all of these people who went to that meeting, came out extremely angry, they need them to stop this process. they need them to prevent hakeem jeffries from becoming speaker of the house and as john points out seven plus four is 11. at this rate, hakeem jeffries gets a majority of those present