director of airline ratings.com. what do you know about this? >> well, before we get -- if we may, here we have the -- >> i know, but first answer the question, and then we'll get to that. because they're waiting to confirm that. what do you know about this? >> what i know about it is that we've known for a long time that the plane went north then turned to a u-turn, then went down into the strait of malacca, out to the west, and then across down into the indian ocean. you're watching it here. now we believe it's been confirmed or at least sources say that turn at the top was designed to in some shape avoid crossing malaysian airspace, at least crossing the land mass. it probably would have been caught on radar, but they do believe that that's why it was done. >> go ahead. >> yeah, i mean, just following from what richard is saying, primary radar goes out to about 125 miles around that. and the point here is that there is no definitive line which you