happened, perhaps in the cockpit conversation or some other activity that resulted in somebody being able to do that. >> right. and that's our procedure if there is no maintenance around at this particular landing site, and we have an incident. we have part of our checklist has us go down into that compartment and actually pull the circuit breaker. >> is that mary -- it sounds like somebody is trying to get. in i'm not sure if it's mary or colleen. >> it's mary. you know what happened in silkair. now silkair is the strange one where the ntsb said it was pilot suicide and the united states district court, the jury said it was a rudder hardover. in that case our ntsb said that the pilot pulled the circuit breaker for the cockpit voice recorder and he was able to do that in the cockpit. so, you know, maybe a difference on the flight data recorder. but in silkair, and that was in