revising it, making it more searchable, and that they were then getting hacked over and over again, so they didn't put it back up. that's what they told us. >> do you believe that? >> well, it's not my role to believe or not believe. i'm a scientist. i look at data and information, and we look at it objectively. >> you're a scientist, but i'm saying, you do have to look at history as well. and there's been concerns that there's been a lack of transparency. >> right. when i looked in that database, it was simply a list of samples with sequences attached, most of which had been published, probably the vast majority right now. so we knew what was in those databases. >> if the data was out there, why were they so concerned about it getting hacked? >> i don't know. more importantly, people who think the database has the answers to sars-cov-2, i recall doubt that.