been able to still make money. without adding a lot of workers, as long as they can do that, that's good news. >> i want to bring in grover norquist, the head for americans for tax reform and kenneth behr, he is currently the managing director of the harvard group. kenneth, we'll start with you complete this sentence for me. the current jobs environment is x? >> i would think you said it right. blah. it seems like right now we're kind of treading water and doing so, not because of any macro factors in the global economy. we're doing it because of self-inflicted wounds from washington, specifically the effect of sequestration that will affect right now. we'll feel that right now. >> grover, is it blah, the current jobs environment is blank? >> lousy compared to every other recovery in the history of this