they have been victims and they've wanted to work with us. but on the other hand the russian methods are brutal and savage and at least in this case from what i can glean just from reading the press, the russians didn't give us a lot in order to go after tamerlan tsarnaev. so we've got to be careful in working with them. >> i would say this, there's a long history going back almost 20 years of westerners going to chechnya, getting radicalized, coming back and then becoming terrorists in the west. so it is a little bit like travel to pakistan. you do have to watch that. >> there was at least, was there not, at some point an al qaeda element in chechnya? >> yeah. and chechen have gone to fight in afghanistan. it is a part of the world where you do have to watch travel flow. >> however, i've also been told as the chechen-al qaeda tie that it's more about the tactics than any commonality of purpose.