laboratories of innovation rather than washington making all the decisions and micromanaging down into the states. >> governor perry, i have to move you alone governor quinn, let me -- i'm going to give you a chance to respond to governor perry on trying to get jobs out of illinois and into texas. but first, i do want to talk to you about the zimmerman verdict. you have seen that in your state there are demonstrations in chicago and perhaps elsewhere. this is also a city that's no stranger to gun violence. is there a national implication to this verdict? >> well, i think there is. it's a tragic episode. i agree with trayvon martin's father that his heart is broken. my heart is broken. and our faith is not broken, as mr. martin said. 's important that we really look at this stand your ground law. i don't think that's a good law.