i, but we're going to find the difference in the next 30 days. we have looked at this issue. >> so not private and not government. >> i don't know where that goes. we have to come to the conclusion as americans, can you put the proper oversight on these programs? i think we have, i think we did, both under bush and under mr. obama to make sure we have a program that fills the gap that we know we missed on the 9/11 attacks. i don't think we want to go to pre-9/11 because we haven't had an attack. why? i argue because we have all of the tools on the table to protect americans and you can do it while protecting privacy and civil liberties. >> the question of the president's proposal, will they make america les safe in your opinion? >> i think they're unworkable. the match chin nations of going