>> and she tripped up after -- sorry. >> a choice to be smarter sooner. if she had done her transition plan when she announced it, i think this might be a different conversation today. >> and she tripped up after weeks of noft having a plan for how to pay for it and other democrats criticizing her and this big unveiling that didn't go well for her so the setup for the drama was significant. >> but to karen's point, nobody is going anywhere any time soon. her numbers may take a dip but she's in this for the long run. >> a dip and not a drop. >> and you won't have a candidate in my opinion until july. it is a long summer. >> it may be and i know you are hoping on that but there is another piece of this. having been through one health care problem in the '90s, people are afraid. when you are taking something away and say i'll >> bernie doesn't care. he just does what he does. for warren, it's not just about